Holga 120N, Tmax400 Ilford Multigrade Fiber Base Glossy 10" x 10"
This image was created in the darkroom by applying the developer to the print in various spots and in time intervals to achieve this effect. part 2 of the diptych:
For Feedback Frenzy: I'd like feedback and constructive criticism regarding the technique used in the darkroom to obtain the print and whether or not it is working effectively to add to the image and whether or not it seems like a cohesive piece. Comments regarding the actual photograph and the relationship between the degradation and loss of ancient cultures and ideals for the replacement of new ones are also welcome and encouraged.
This critique was written as part of the competition.
While I am a photographer, I have not worked in a dark room for a very long time due to working with digital images. However, I would still love to address some of the more basic technical elements that occur in camera and the interpretation / concept portion in this review.
I love classic black and white photography. I tend to notice values and shapes in a very different; I hesitate to say, but more pure way than when I am looking at color photographs. They tend to invoke a slightly surrealistic perspective of our color saturated world that always seems fresh to me as an observer.
Your photo is great in terms of exposure, but lacks impact. There is a nice balance of lighter spaces, mid-tone grays, and deeper valued shadows throughout the space which makes it feel full and textured. Squaring off the image does this photo well by reinforcing your composition. Your main subject, the statue sits off center, placing the face in the upper right hand intersection of the imaginary grid. However, one reason I think your image looks flat is because there is hardly any depth of field (DOF) in the work. There is not enough distinction between your subject and the background. One way of making this distinction greater in your camera is by opening the aperture more, making your f-stop smaller. The second problem is the angle in which you have taken the photo... Your main subject is half hidden in a shadow based on your relation to the sun, your light source. It would have been better to keep your relationship towards the statue but move 5 ft or so to the right of where this image was set up (and now thinking about it, closer to the angle where your second photograph in the series was taken). You can probably remedy this somewhat in the dark room using some dodge / burn techniques with your light projector. One other suggestion to help with composition would be to allow more of your main subject to fill up the frame. Bringing yourself and the camera closer, or zooming in to the statue would be ways of enlarging the main subject but would still allow you to see the surrounding environment.
As far as the bleeding techniques that you have used around the edges, I think the effect is really nice. It gives me the impression that the film is being burned up or melted. I imagine that doing this technique is a total hit and miss process. My recommendation would be to produce several drafts until you find one that has a really strong composition to it.
I think your overall concept is there, but improving your execution would make it clearer. Your use of metaphor (a Roman / Grecian-esq looking statue hidden and surrounded by modern buildings) definitely works. And in some ways, I totally understand and agree with your conclusion. Especially here in Western society where there is a minimum emphasis on maintaining (or creating actually) long term cultural traditions. Here in the USA, most of our traditions came out of faith based practices with lots and lots of history, of which many people are rejecting at this point. But due to the strong post modern movements occurring right now, there are trends that move through our culture but nothing that will stand long term. My Mother often said, “Our greatest contribution would be rock and roll and popular culture.” But even these have particular trends that define what those terms mean. Even our longest and most celebrated traditions like Christmas are being questioned! That is sad to me, and not just because we have lost the understanding of what Christmas actually is, but also because the people in our culture are no longer unified in that understanding. And that is sad. We are so quick to move onto the next big thing that we find no value in history and tradition. I think people might claim that history is important to them, but if the traditions that back up the history have no value how are you going to remember the history? Anyways… I am getting all heated up. This disintegration is very much present in your developer techniques as well.
I definitely believe that this work touches on some pretty important themes. Further still I commend you for looking at those concepts and trying to put them on paper. There are a lot of little things that can be done to tighten up the composition and make your concept clearer but it is not a bad photo by any means.
Good work and happy holid- … Wait… Merry Christmas!
Hi! This is a critique from a #FeedbackFrenzy participant. First off, I was overjoyed to know that this is a traditionally printed photo, and even better, that it had gone through traditional post-process to create the effect. There are not that many of photographers like you around here any more. I salute you. Further, I have had experience is darkroom photography, so I will try to comment on it as accurately as I can.
Let's talk about the base print first. It's a little dark, especially given that adding developer to it usually make the patches of contact darker. A good indicator of the fact that the print is a bit dark is that there is no genuine white in the frame. The closest you have is the building on the left, but that too is slightly grey. Moreover, the focus of the picture, i.e., the statue, is far too dark to be immediately obvious what it is. My suggested amendment to this is simply under expose this picture when you print it (a few seconds less in the enlarger), and then darken the white building on the left with the black card technique to achieve tonal balance. Underexposing the print a bit gives you a bit more control over how developed the print will be when you area-expose the print to developer. The other method is simply avoid telling the developer sit too long on the parts that are darker. This is a very very tricky process, and in all honesty, you have done such a great job at it already. I shouldn't be picky.
Now, onto the actual developer effect itself. I think it adds quite a bit of atmosphere to the theme of the photo. The theme is the loss of ancient cultures, and the effect added by the developer resembles a splatter of blood. It is quite symbolic of sacrifices we are making in moving from ancient to modern, which I like a lot. Related to that, I like the subject you captured. The status seem to be turning to look behind him, as if he's gazing at the lost culture before he walk toward the modern buildings. Combined with the splatter effect of the developer, the whole photo has the memoir/flashback feel of an old time film. Great job on combining concept with technique.
Last thing, I'm not too certain about the vignetting on the top two corners; it seems a little bit excessive. I would try either leaving those corners as is to contrast the more irregular edge at the bottom, or doing the same effect for the top as you did for the bottom. I don't know how either of those will look, but it's worth a try if you have a second chance at developing this again.
All in all, I really love this photo of yours. It's so rare to see darkroom photography done with non-traditional techniques, and especially one done so well. I really tip my hat off to you. I urge you to try to developer the print again; I think there are some things that can be done to make the photo perfect, and I would really, really, really love to see it perfect. Great job!
Thank you sincerely for your in depth response. I agree that the subject is a little too dark and I will take that into consideration on future prints. The vignetting is actually caused by the holga and I have little control over it. It's usually a very nice aesthetic associated with the camera but considering the bottom of the print is mostly white I can see how it is causing the composition to be unbalanced. This was my first go at this splatter development technique and I will be refining it once I get access to the darkroom again during the spring semester. Thank you again for spending time with my piece and I'm very pleased that you like it.
This critique was written as part of the
While I am a photographer, I have not worked in a dark room for a very long time due to working with digital images. However, I would still love to address some of the more basic technical elements that occur in camera and the interpretation / concept portion in this review.
I love classic black and white photography. I tend to notice values and shapes in a very different; I hesitate to say, but more pure way than when I am looking at color photographs. They tend to invoke a slightly surrealistic perspective of our color saturated world that always seems fresh to me as an observer.
Your photo is great in terms of exposure, but lacks impact. There is a nice balance of lighter spaces, mid-tone grays, and deeper valued shadows throughout the space which makes it feel full and textured. Squaring off the image does this photo well by reinforcing your composition. Your main subject, the statue sits off center, placing the face in the upper right hand intersection of the imaginary grid. However, one reason I think your image looks flat is because there is hardly any depth of field (DOF) in the work. There is not enough distinction between your subject and the background. One way of making this distinction greater in your camera is by opening the aperture more, making your f-stop smaller. The second problem is the angle in which you have taken the photo... Your main subject is half hidden in a shadow based on your relation to the sun, your light source. It would have been better to keep your relationship towards the statue but move 5 ft or so to the right of where this image was set up (and now thinking about it, closer to the angle where your second photograph in the series was taken). You can probably remedy this somewhat in the dark room using some dodge / burn techniques with your light projector. One other suggestion to help with composition would be to allow more of your main subject to fill up the frame. Bringing yourself and the camera closer, or zooming in to the statue would be ways of enlarging the main subject but would still allow you to see the surrounding environment.
As far as the bleeding techniques that you have used around the edges, I think the effect is really nice. It gives me the impression that the film is being burned up or melted. I imagine that doing this technique is a total hit and miss process. My recommendation would be to produce several drafts until you find one that has a really strong composition to it.
I think your overall concept is there, but improving your execution would make it clearer. Your use of metaphor (a Roman / Grecian-esq looking statue hidden and surrounded by modern buildings) definitely works. And in some ways, I totally understand and agree with your conclusion. Especially here in Western society where there is a minimum emphasis on maintaining (or creating actually) long term cultural traditions. Here in the USA, most of our traditions came out of faith based practices with lots and lots of history, of which many people are rejecting at this point. But due to the strong post modern movements occurring right now, there are trends that move through our culture but nothing that will stand long term. My Mother often said, “Our greatest contribution would be rock and roll and popular culture.” But even these have particular trends that define what those terms mean. Even our longest and most celebrated traditions like Christmas are being questioned! That is sad to me, and not just because we have lost the understanding of what Christmas actually is, but also because the people in our culture are no longer unified in that understanding. And that is sad. We are so quick to move onto the next big thing that we find no value in history and tradition. I think people might claim that history is important to them, but if the traditions that back up the history have no value how are you going to remember the history? Anyways… I am getting all heated up.
I definitely believe that this work touches on some pretty important themes. Further still I commend you for looking at those concepts and trying to put them on paper. There are a lot of little things that can be done to tighten up the composition and make your concept clearer but it is not a bad photo by any means.
Good work and happy holid- … Wait…
Matthew Palfenier
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